That is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard read that was authorized by you. No wonder your loosing fans and listeners. Instead of addressing your probems and planning to do something about it, you just write up a batch of excuses about this and that. I'm not buying this demented Cool-aid for one minute.
Scathing? Hello, Dr. Demento. You Need a Reality Checkup.
So, we now know who the man behind the iron Talonian curtain is.
Unfortunately, your explantion on your drdemento.com website continues to shoot blanks when faced with a reality check.
Why did your advertisers flee? Haven't you hired a sales manager to get those advertisers to replace the ones that left? What about inviting luke ski, Sudden Death, Weird Al, Richard Cheese, and all of those other big names buy some advertisements that plug their albums and concert tours?
Why aren't you in Los Angeles? Get your friggin' ass over to CBS or Clear Channel or Indie or whatever and iron out a way to get your show back on the friggin' airwaves. So CBS Radio likes to run 20 minutes of commercials an hour. So what? Produce a 120 minute show with nine breaks for stopsets and let stations add up to 60 minutes of commercials per hour. That's a good three-hour show. The way your show is produced with fewer minutes alloted for commercials per hour is very much in the way of getting a station to carry a show. Remember back in 1998 when KLSX dropped a segment so that it could run more commercials and annoying announcements for some sex talk show? You should have saw some signs that you need to listen to their needs.
As for the issue of whether a station should share their advertisement revenue with a radio show host, it ain't gonna happen, pal! You're simply not entitled to any advertising revenue a radio station generates. The station is entitled to generating advertising revenue to pay for the operations of their station as well as to pay for talent and radio shows such as yours. All you do is supply the programming for a fee, then that's all. It's just like every syndicator that sells shows with no built-in ads. The station has the right to put a value on your services, and if yours is not worth their money, they simply won't hire you. Give them a reason to hire you.
As for telling the radio stations affilliates to cut off their streams while your show is on, are you nucking futs? Your show is an advertisement of your services in itself, and you killed off your own free publicity machine in favor of, what's this you said, scathing online denunciations in r.m.d. and other places? This is simply PR gone bad. You're blowing it big time, Doc!
As for your online paid streaming services, f--- this! F--- this! I ain't paying for bulls--t products from any bad business including yours. I'm not paying $2 for a crappy lo-fidelty stream of reruns of older shows I've heard an average of 27 times in the past 29 years I've been listening to the show. Chances are, when I download some Dr. D shows from a USENET binary newsgroup (thanks to all who do), I skip over the songs I already have or have no interest in and listen to the newer songs, then I seek them out on myspace for songs that might be on there for me to download in high quality 128kbps.
I'm not joining your DOC club either. I have better plans to spend my money since I'm no longer ponying up $40 a month for some goddamn live365 service run by incompetent people who don't know how to make money and keep customers. I could pay for and listen to older shows. I ask why if I've heard them so many times already, why repay again and again?
So, why do I need to listen to an entire show again if all I'm interested in are listening to individual songs instead of waiting for some song I'm not interested in to play out until something new and cool or new to me comes in. Selling your own shows online as a stream is rather tedious at best. The world has changed into an on-demand basis. Everybody wants to hear a particular song now instead of waiting until after a block of other stuff played.
The fump.com, for example, is a good business model, and it even features songs that should have gotten some fame by you by playing them, but haven't. You can stream a song, you can purchase a high quality individual song, you can buy an album, and you can even post your own links to your own songs (wish they would host the sideshow songs). This is a model you should be looking into, Doc.
I for one have six of my stuff on the fump sideshow. Check them out. They're relevant, different, insightful, and unique, or check them out at my website davidtanny.com and hear what dementoids have been missing out on for almost ten years now. Some get it. Some don't. For those who don't get it, that shows that I'm cutting edge dementia because a lot of ideas for parodies and originals are coming from a point of view that is being ignored by the media: the ordinary money-challenged (I can't afford a studio or a staff as I'm all alone in this town) academically-challenged (just a community college grad) person.
Does a song have to be good in order to be popular? No. Does a music programmer have to like the song that they play on the radio? No. What does matter? The public likes what is played whether the deejay or music programmer likes it or not. Do people know if a song is going to be good or bad just by looking at the title? Not until they hear it. Do people like to request what some radio people call bad songs? Yes. What is bad? It depends on one's humble opinion on whatever is good or bad to them.
Is it too late to save the Dr. Demento Show? The way things are going, it probably is. No station is streaming the show. Krellan is out of the Dr. Demento business because of that (thanks Krellan for your hard work).
I would have paid $2 for a decent download of a 24kbps Dr. Demento show back in 1997 just to sample the songs as that's been my interest for most of my life as the streamers back then were unreliable (remember those hiccups of the signal back in the day?) or out of reach in the days of dial-up.
Now that cable broadband is the way, 128kbps is the way to go for $1 a show stream but it has to be made in a way that is employed on myspace.com where you can forward or reverse within the show so you can sample the song again or skip over some overplayed stuff.
Dr. Demento, you need to stop the excuses on your website as your letter slams us for posting what you call "scathing online denunciations." I say they're called "consumer complaints." When I criticize AT&T for their bad service, it's a consumer complaint, not a scathing denunciation. The same goes for Talonian Productions' way of doing business; it's a consumer complaint.
Also hampering the Dr. Demento Show is a rather small selection of new funny music. How about doing several shows a year featuring six full sets of all new demented music and comedy. When are you going to play some modern day comedians on your show? Why haven't you been playing any recent stuff from George Carlin (an editor can excise the $325,000 words out of the material)? I like the "Modern Man" comedy bit a lot, and you stiill won't play it?
Hello, Dr. Demento. Time for a checkup. Play some golf and let me or somebody else create a playlist for you full of new and notable dementia, novelty, comedy, weird, and otherwise insane material and give a person a reason to spend $2 to sample a show. Preferably at least 96kbps, but keep the 24kbps for dial-up listeners, but charge the same anyway. Make them upgrade to cable to get a better sound.
Now listnen. Dr. Demento. Take down your silly "note from Dr. Demento" propaganda. You apologize to the readers. You hire some qualified people to change your business model into one that fully embraces the Internet like I was forced to do back in February of 1997 as I had been doing since then. You allow radio stations to stream your show again for no additional fee. You hire a sales rep to get some businesses to advertise on your show. You remodel your website so that it's consumer friendly. You rethink how you sell indivudual shows. You start reselling song downloads like fump and itunes are doing.
Dr. Demento, get yourself demented once again. Admit your mistakes instead of posting excuses. Do something now or else your show will simply fade away.
You certainly have the right to express your opinion on Dr. D's business model and explain your research into other ways of doing things, but why do so in the form of an attack? Dr. Demento has the right to run his business however he wants. His current business model may not be working as well as it could, but it's up to him to figure that out, and it's his call what to do about it. Beyond that, you say that YOU should be writing Dr. Demento's playlists? YOUR music is better than what Dr. D plays? Do you honestly expect anyone to back you here? Dr. Demento has been doing what he does for 30 years. He is the reason most of us are familiar with pretty much ANY comedy music, and part of the reason many of us are making comedy music. He has earned his status as a legend. He can run his show any damn way he pleases.
He's also an exceedingly nice person, and deserves better than to have this sort of self-serving diatribe thrown at him.
I really hope your mention of The FuMP in this note was not meant to imply that your views reflect those of the FuMP as a whole, or any of its members. They sure as hell don't reflect mine.
I also sincerely hope this post was borne of frustration, and that an apology is forthcoming. I greatly appreciate your support of WQ and Dementia as a whole over the years, and I'd like to think that you're better than this.
I can tell you it's not for the reasons you think. Dr. D mentions that his show is hard to sell because of its broad demographics, which is true to a point, but it's even harder to sell when the person you hired to sell your advertising isn't doing their job. Dr. Demento got completely screwed by the last company that was supposed to be selling advertising on the show.
I know this because I actually tried to buy air time on the show. Emphasis on the word tried. When Technobabble came out I was going to produce a radio spot and air it on Dr. Demento for however long I could afford. I contacted Dr. D who gave me the contact info of the advertiser guy. I called him SEVEN TIMES over a period of a few weeks, leaving a message after at least four of the calls. He never answered his phone and never called me back. I eventually gave up, as I'm sure all the other advertisers who were trying to buy air time did.
It was right around this time that the show stopped airing national ads altogether. I don't know if he has looked into other advertising companies or not since then.
Now, y'see, I think WQ and Devo are being far too nice.
I'm not going to bother attempting to make sense of your contradictory philosophical ramblings, although a lot of it seems to boil down to I Demand Excellent Quality For Free Without Consideration For Basic Economics Oh And You Don't Play Enough Of My Brilliant Stuff. If your music and your marketing savvy are really that superior, by all means apply them to your own circumstance so I can, um, have heard of you.
I will point out that it's a little more complex than you seem to think to walk into CBS or Clear Channel and get a radio show.
And buying a song on iTunes is not the same as paying broadcast royalties on two dozen songs every week.
And you have a very interesting notion of how recording a radio show works. You might try it yourself. It's called a "podcast". They're not searchable, either. You want to play individual songs? Buy individual songs. Although I suspect you don't want to do that. Might cost you something.
And we at The FuMP are following a very different economic model. (Heck, I'm following a different model from The FuMP. Close, but not quite the same.)
And if you don't like the product, then you can simply go away and not buy any more of it. Nobody's saying, "Pay two bucks for that audio stream or we'll kill this kitten."
And we haven't even got into your demands regarding audio quality, which are directly related to server space, speed, compromising for people still on dial-up, etc., etc., etc.
Dr. D is trying to continue his business in a changing world. As you say, there's this internet thing. But he still has to, and wants to, conform to laws, rules, regulations, and the need to pay his own bills. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. He'll find that out in due time. But I sincerely doubt your "advice" will help anybody besides... you.
(I'm sure, by the way, that Luke and Devo and Richard Cheese are tremendously flattered that you consider them in the same league, advertising-wise, as Weird Al, who did have his own TV show and is on a national tour and at least has a chance of some airplay on regular radio.)
Long story short: You come off like Veruca Salt. The pony isn't precisely the color you wanted, and you've got to feed it and take care of it, and if you don't like it the pony won't much care if you abandon it. It'll manage by itself.
> Now, y'see, I think WQ and Devo are being far too nice.
> I'm not going to bother attempting to make sense of your contradictory > philosophical ramblings, although a lot of it seems to boil down to I > Demand Excellent Quality For Free Without Consideration For Basic > Economics Oh And You Don't Play Enough Of My Brilliant Stuff. If your > music and your marketing savvy are really that superior, by all means > apply them to your own circumstance so I can, um, have heard of you.
> I will point out that it's a little more complex than you seem to > think to walk into CBS or Clear Channel and get a radio show.
> And buying a song on iTunes is not the same as paying broadcast > royalties on two dozen songs every week.
> And you have a very interesting notion of how recording a radio show > works. You might try it yourself. It's called a "podcast". They're > not searchable, either. You want to play individual songs? Buy > individual songs. Although I suspect you don't want to do that. > Might cost you something.
> And we at The FuMP are following a very different economic model. > (Heck, I'm following a different model from The FuMP. Close, but not > quite the same.)
> And if you don't like the product, then you can simply go away and not > buy any more of it. Nobody's saying, "Pay two bucks for that audio > stream or we'll kill this kitten."
> And we haven't even got into your demands regarding audio quality, > which are directly related to server space, speed, compromising for > people still on dial-up, etc., etc., etc.
> Dr. D is trying to continue his business in a changing world. As you > say, there's this internet thing. But he still has to, and wants to, > conform to laws, rules, regulations, and the need to pay his own > bills. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. He'll find that out in > due time. But I sincerely doubt your "advice" will help anybody > besides... you.
> (I'm sure, by the way, that Luke and Devo and Richard Cheese are > tremendously flattered that you consider them in the same league, > advertising-wise, as Weird Al, who did have his own TV show and is on > a national tour and at least has a chance of some airplay on regular > radio.)
> Long story short: You come off like Veruca Salt. The pony isn't > precisely the color you wanted, and you've got to feed it and take > care of it, and if you don't like it the pony won't much care if you > abandon it. It'll manage by itself.
> Even shorter: Grow the hell up.
David Tanny does do a podcast since he pulled the plug on his Live365 station.
> That is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard read that was authorized by > you. No wonder your loosing fans and listeners. Instead of addressing > your probems and planning to do something about it, you just write up a > batch of excuses about this and that. I'm not buying this demented > Cool-aid for one minute.
> Scathing? Hello, Dr. Demento. You Need a Reality Checkup.
> So, we now know who the man behind the iron Talonian curtain is.
> Unfortunately, your explantion on your drdemento.com website continues > to shoot blanks when faced with a reality check.
> Why did your advertisers flee? Haven't you hired a sales manager to get > those advertisers to replace the ones that left? What about inviting > luke ski, Sudden Death, Weird Al, Richard Cheese, and all of those other > big names buy some advertisements that plug their albums and concert > tours?
> Why aren't you in Los Angeles? Get your friggin' ass over to CBS or > Clear Channel or Indie or whatever and iron out a way to get your show > back on the friggin' airwaves. So CBS Radio likes to run 20 minutes of > commercials an hour. So what? Produce a 120 minute show with nine breaks > for stopsets and let stations add up to 60 minutes of commercials per > hour. That's a good three-hour show. The way your show is produced with > fewer minutes alloted for commercials per hour is very much in the way > of getting a station to carry a show. Remember back in 1998 when KLSX > dropped a segment so that it could run more commercials and annoying > announcements for some sex talk show? You should have saw some signs > that you need to listen to their needs.
> As for the issue of whether a station should share their advertisement > revenue with a radio show host, it ain't gonna happen, pal! You're > simply not entitled to any advertising revenue a radio station > generates. The station is entitled to generating advertising revenue to > pay for the operations of their station as well as to pay for talent and > radio shows such as yours. All you do is supply the programming for a > fee, then that's all. It's just like every syndicator that sells shows > with no built-in ads. The station has the right to put a value on your > services, and if yours is not worth their money, they simply won't hire > you. Give them a reason to hire you.
> As for telling the radio stations affilliates to cut off their streams > while your show is on, are you nucking futs? Your show is an > advertisement of your services in itself, and you killed off your own > free publicity machine in favor of, what's this you said, scathing > online denunciations in r.m.d. and other places? This is simply PR gone > bad. You're blowing it big time, Doc!
> As for your online paid streaming services, f--- this! F--- this! > I ain't paying for bulls--t products from any bad business including > yours. I'm not paying $2 for a crappy lo-fidelty stream of reruns of > older shows I've heard an average of 27 times in the past 29 years I've > been listening to the show. Chances are, when I download some Dr. D > shows from a USENET binary newsgroup (thanks to all who do), I skip over > the songs I already have or have no interest in and listen to the newer > songs, then I seek them out on myspace for songs that might be on there > for me to download in high quality 128kbps.
> I'm not joining your DOC club either. I have better plans to spend my > money since I'm no longer ponying up $40 a month for some goddamn > live365 service run by incompetent people who don't know how to make > money and keep customers. I could pay for and listen to older shows. I > ask why if I've heard them so many times already, why repay again and > again?
> So, why do I need to listen to an entire show again if all I'm > interested in are listening to individual songs instead of waiting for > some song I'm not interested in to play out until something new and cool > or new to me comes in. Selling your own shows online as a stream is > rather tedious at best. The world has changed into an on-demand basis. > Everybody wants to hear a particular song now instead of waiting until > after a block of other stuff played.
> The fump.com, for example, is a good business model, and it even > features songs that should have gotten some fame by you by playing them, > but haven't. You can stream a song, you can purchase a high quality > individual song, you can buy an album, and you can even post your own > links to your own songs (wish they would host the sideshow songs). This > is a model you should be looking into, Doc.
> I for one have six of my stuff on the fump sideshow. Check them out. > They're relevant, different, insightful, and unique, or check them out > at my website davidtanny.com and hear what dementoids have been missing > out on for almost ten years now. Some get it. Some don't. For those who > don't get it, that shows that I'm cutting edge dementia because a lot of > ideas for parodies and originals are coming from a point of view that is > being ignored by the media: the ordinary money-challenged (I can't > afford a studio or a staff as I'm all alone in this town) > academically-challenged (just a community college grad) person.
> Does a song have to be good in order to be popular? No. Does a music > programmer have to like the song that they play on the radio? No. What > does matter? The public likes what is played whether the deejay or music > programmer likes it or not. Do people know if a song is going to be good > or bad just by looking at the title? Not until they hear it. Do people > like to request what some radio people call bad songs? Yes. What is bad? > It depends on one's humble opinion on whatever is good or bad to them.
> Is it too late to save the Dr. Demento Show? The way things are going, > it probably is. No station is streaming the show. Krellan is out of the > Dr. Demento business because of that (thanks Krellan for your hard > work).
> I would have paid $2 for a decent download of a 24kbps Dr. Demento show > back in 1997 just to sample the songs as that's been my interest for > most of my life as the streamers back then were unreliable (remember > those hiccups of the signal back in the day?) or out of reach in the > days of dial-up.
> Now that cable broadband is the way, 128kbps is the way to go for $1 a > show stream but it has to be made in a way that is employed on > myspace.com where you can forward or reverse within the show so you can > sample the song again or skip over some overplayed stuff.
> Dr. Demento, you need to stop the excuses on your website as your letter > slams us for posting what you call "scathing online denunciations." I > say they're called "consumer complaints." When I criticize AT&T for > their bad service, it's a consumer complaint, not a scathing > denunciation. The same goes for Talonian Productions' way of doing > business; it's a consumer complaint.
> Also hampering the Dr. Demento Show is a rather small selection of new > funny music. How about doing several shows a year featuring six full > sets of all new demented music and comedy. When are you going to play > some modern day comedians on your show? Why haven't you been playing any > recent stuff from George Carlin (an editor can excise the $325,000 words > out of the material)? I like the "Modern Man" comedy bit a lot, and you > stiill won't play it?
> Hello, Dr. Demento. Time for a checkup. Play some golf and let me or > somebody else create a playlist for you full of new and notable > dementia, novelty, comedy, weird, and otherwise insane material and give > a person a reason to spend $2 to sample a show. Preferably at least > 96kbps, but keep the 24kbps for dial-up listeners, but charge the same > anyway. Make them upgrade to cable to get a better sound.
> Now listnen. Dr. Demento. Take down your silly "note from Dr. Demento" > propaganda. You apologize to the readers. You hire some qualified people > to change your business model into one that fully embraces the Internet > like I was forced to do back in February of 1997 as I had been doing > since then. You allow radio stations to stream your show again for no > additional fee. You hire a sales rep to get some businesses to advertise > on your show. You remodel your website so that it's consumer friendly. > You rethink how you sell indivudual shows. You start reselling song > downloads like fump and itunes are doing.
> Dr. Demento, get yourself demented once again. Admit your mistakes > instead of posting excuses. Do something now or else your show will > simply fade away.
> signed
> david tanny
I don't mind The FuMP being used as a example in a discussion about business models and online content. Not all of us agree about these things, and they're worth a public debate.
But David, everyone in the FuMP seems to agree that your tone in this post is disrespectful to the point of being downright shitty. If you're writing as an angry fan, then it's way beyond what even a "dissatisfied customer" has a right to express. And if you're writing to express professional advice, then you picked a completely unprofessional way to do it.
If you wanted to make these points to Dr Demento, his email is not hard to find. By posting an open letter to the newsgroup, plugging your site, etc. it looks a lot more like a play for attention than a call for change.
Next time you want to write a public rant, leave us out of it.
> On Oct 16, 12:01 am, D a v i d T a n n y <daveNOSPAMne...@cox.net> > wrote:
> > Dear Dr. Demento.
> > re: your letter on drdemento.com
> > That is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard read that was authorized by > > you. No wonder your loosing fans and listeners. Instead of addressing > > your probems and planning to do something about it, you just write up a > > batch of excuses about this and that. I'm not buying this demented > > Cool-aid for one minute.
> > Scathing? Hello, Dr. Demento. You Need a Reality Checkup.
> > So, we now know who the man behind the iron Talonian curtain is.
> > Unfortunately, your explantion on your drdemento.com website continues > > to shoot blanks when faced with a reality check.
> > Why did your advertisers flee? Haven't you hired a sales manager to get > > those advertisers to replace the ones that left? What about inviting > > luke ski, Sudden Death, Weird Al, Richard Cheese, and all of those other > > big names buy some advertisements that plug their albums and concert > > tours?
> > Why aren't you in Los Angeles? Get your friggin' ass over to CBS or > > Clear Channel or Indie or whatever and iron out a way to get your show > > back on the friggin' airwaves. So CBS Radio likes to run 20 minutes of > > commercials an hour. So what? Produce a 120 minute show with nine breaks > > for stopsets and let stations add up to 60 minutes of commercials per > > hour. That's a good three-hour show. The way your show is produced with > > fewer minutes alloted for commercials per hour is very much in the way > > of getting a station to carry a show. Remember back in 1998 when KLSX > > dropped a segment so that it could run more commercials and annoying > > announcements for some sex talk show? You should have saw some signs > > that you need to listen to their needs.
> > As for the issue of whether a station should share their advertisement > > revenue with a radio show host, it ain't gonna happen, pal! You're > > simply not entitled to any advertising revenue a radio station > > generates. The station is entitled to generating advertising revenue to > > pay for the operations of their station as well as to pay for talent and > > radio shows such as yours. All you do is supply the programming for a > > fee, then that's all. It's just like every syndicator that sells shows > > with no built-in ads. The station has the right to put a value on your > > services, and if yours is not worth their money, they simply won't hire > > you. Give them a reason to hire you.
> > As for telling the radio stations affilliates to cut off their streams > > while your show is on, are you nucking futs? Your show is an > > advertisement of your services in itself, and you killed off your own > > free publicity machine in favor of, what's this you said, scathing > > online denunciations in r.m.d. and other places? This is simply PR gone > > bad. You're blowing it big time, Doc!
> > As for your online paid streaming services, f--- this! F--- this! > > I ain't paying for bulls--t products from any bad business including > > yours. I'm not paying $2 for a crappy lo-fidelty stream of reruns of > > older shows I've heard an average of 27 times in the past 29 years I've > > been listening to the show. Chances are, when I download some Dr. D > > shows from a USENET binary newsgroup (thanks to all who do), I skip over > > the songs I already have or have no interest in and listen to the newer > > songs, then I seek them out on myspace for songs that might be on there > > for me to download in high quality 128kbps.
> > I'm not joining your DOC club either. I have better plans to spend my > > money since I'm no longer ponying up $40 a month for some goddamn > > live365 service run by incompetent people who don't know how to make > > money and keep customers. I could pay for and listen to older shows. I > > ask why if I've heard them so many times already, why repay again and > > again?
> > So, why do I need to listen to an entire show again if all I'm > > interested in are listening to individual songs instead of waiting for > > some song I'm not interested in to play out until something new and cool > > or new to me comes in. Selling your own shows online as a stream is > > rather tedious at best. The world has changed into an on-demand basis. > > Everybody wants to hear a particular song now instead of waiting until > > after a block of other stuff played.
> > The fump.com, for example, is a good business model, and it even > > features songs that should have gotten some fame by you by playing them, > > but haven't. You can stream a song, you can purchase a high quality > > individual song, you can buy an album, and you can even post your own > > links to your own songs (wish they would host the sideshow songs). This > > is a model you should be looking into, Doc.
> > I for one have six of my stuff on the fump sideshow. Check them out. > > They're relevant, different, insightful, and unique, or check them out > > at my website davidtanny.com and hear what dementoids have been missing > > out on for almost ten years now. Some get it. Some don't. For those who > > don't get it, that shows that I'm cutting edge dementia because a lot of > > ideas for parodies and originals are coming from a point of view that is > > being ignored by the media: the ordinary money-challenged (I can't > > afford a studio or a staff as I'm all alone in this town) > > academically-challenged (just a community college grad) person.
> > Does a song have to be good in order to be popular? No. Does a music > > programmer have to like the song that they play on the radio? No. What > > does matter? The public likes what is played whether the deejay or music > > programmer likes it or not. Do people know if a song is going to be good > > or bad just by looking at the title? Not until they hear it. Do people > > like to request what some radio people call bad songs? Yes. What is bad? > > It depends on one's humble opinion on whatever is good or bad to them.
> > Is it too late to save the Dr. Demento Show? The way things are going, > > it probably is. No station is streaming the show. Krellan is out of the > > Dr. Demento business because of that (thanks Krellan for your hard > > work).
> > I would have paid $2 for a decent download of a 24kbps Dr. Demento show > > back in 1997 just to sample the songs as that's been my interest for > > most of my life as the streamers back then were unreliable (remember > > those hiccups of the signal back in the day?) or out of reach in the > > days of dial-up.
> > Now that cable broadband is the way, 128kbps is the way to go for $1 a > > show stream but it has to be made in a way that is employed on > > myspace.com where you can forward or reverse within the show so you can > > sample the song again or skip over some overplayed stuff.
> > Dr. Demento, you need to stop the excuses on your website as your letter > > slams us for posting what you call "scathing online denunciations." I > > say they're called "consumer complaints." When I criticize AT&T for > > their bad service, it's a consumer complaint, not a scathing > > denunciation. The same goes for Talonian Productions' way of doing > > business; it's a consumer complaint.
> > Also hampering the Dr. Demento Show is a rather small selection of new > > funny music. How about doing several shows a year featuring six full > > sets of all new demented music and comedy. When are you going to play > > some modern day comedians on your show? Why haven't you been playing any > > recent stuff from George Carlin (an editor can excise the $325,000 words > > out of the material)? I like the "Modern Man" comedy bit a lot, and you > > stiill won't play it?
> > Hello, Dr. Demento. Time for a checkup. Play some golf and let me or > > somebody else create a playlist for you full of new and notable > > dementia, novelty, comedy, weird, and otherwise insane material and give > > a person a reason to spend $2 to sample a show. Preferably at least > > 96kbps, but keep the 24kbps for dial-up listeners, but charge the same > > anyway. Make them upgrade to cable to get a better sound.
> > Now listnen. Dr. Demento. Take down your silly "note from Dr. Demento" > > propaganda. You apologize to the readers. You hire some qualified people > > to change your business model into one that fully embraces the Internet > > like I was forced to do back in February of 1997 as I had been doing > > since then. You allow radio stations to stream your show again for no > > additional fee. You hire a sales rep to get some businesses to advertise > > on your show. You remodel your website so that it's consumer friendly. > > You rethink how you sell indivudual shows. You start reselling song > > downloads like fump and itunes are doing.
> > Dr. Demento, get yourself demented once again. Admit your mistakes > > instead of posting excuses. Do something now or else your show will > > simply fade away.
> > signed
> > david tanny
> I don't mind The FuMP being used as a example in a discussion about > business models and online content. Not all of us agree about these > things, and they're worth a public debate.
> But David, everyone in the FuMP seems to agree that your tone in this > post is disrespectful to the point of being downright shitty. If > you're writing as an angry fan, then it's way beyond what even a > "dissatisfied customer" has a right to express. And if you're writing > to express professional advice, then you picked a completely > unprofessional way to do it.
> If you wanted to make these points to Dr Demento, his email is not > hard to find. By posting an open letter to the newsgroup, plugging > your site, etc. it looks a lot more like a play for attention than a > call for change.
> Next time you want to write a public rant, leave us out of it.
> You certainly have the right to express your opinion on Dr. D's > business model and explain your research into other ways of doing > things, but why do so in the form of an attack? Dr. Demento has the > right to run his business however he wants. His current business > model may not be working as well as it could, but it's up to him to > figure that out, and it's his call what to do about it. Beyond that, > you say that YOU should be writing Dr. Demento's playlists? YOUR > music is better than what Dr. D plays? Do you honestly expect anyone > to back you here? Dr. Demento has been doing what he does for 30 > years. He is the reason most of us are familiar with pretty much ANY > comedy music, and part of the reason many of us are making comedy > music. He has earned his status as a legend. He can run his show any > damn way he pleases.
> He's also an exceedingly nice person, and deserves better than to have > this sort of self-serving diatribe thrown at him.
> I really hope your mention of The FuMP in this note was not meant to > imply that your views reflect those of the FuMP as a whole, or any of > its members. They sure as hell don't reflect mine.
> I also sincerely hope this post was borne of frustration, and that an > apology is forthcoming. I greatly appreciate your support of WQ and > Dementia as a whole over the years, and I'd like to think that you're > better than this.
It's hard to picture Shoebox as the voice of reason, but there you go.
I thought that the tone of your post was overly harsh D.T. You do make some good points but you really get nowhere ranting like this. If you don't like the way Dr. D runs his show, you can always do your own as you have for a few years now. Thanks........Pete
> That is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard read that was authorized by > you. No wonder your loosing fans and listeners. Instead of addressing > your probems and planning to do something about it, you just write up a > batch of excuses about this and that. I'm not buying this demented > Cool-aid for one minute.
> Scathing? Hello, Dr. Demento. You Need a Reality Checkup.
> So, we now know who the man behind the iron Talonian curtain is.
> Unfortunately, your explantion on your drdemento.com website continues > to shoot blanks when faced with a reality check.
> Why did your advertisers flee? Haven't you hired a sales manager to get > those advertisers to replace the ones that left? What about inviting > luke ski, Sudden Death, Weird Al, Richard Cheese, and all of those other > big names buy some advertisements that plug their albums and concert > tours?
> Why aren't you in Los Angeles? Get your friggin' ass over to CBS or > Clear Channel or Indie or whatever and iron out a way to get your show > back on the friggin' airwaves. So CBS Radio likes to run 20 minutes of > commercials an hour. So what? Produce a 120 minute show with nine breaks > for stopsets and let stations add up to 60 minutes of commercials per > hour. That's a good three-hour show. The way your show is produced with > fewer minutes alloted for commercials per hour is very much in the way > of getting a station to carry a show. Remember back in 1998 when KLSX > dropped a segment so that it could run more commercials and annoying > announcements for some sex talk show? You should have saw some signs > that you need to listen to their needs.
> As for the issue of whether a station should share their advertisement > revenue with a radio show host, it ain't gonna happen, pal! You're > simply not entitled to any advertising revenue a radio station > generates. The station is entitled to generating advertising revenue to > pay for the operations of their station as well as to pay for talent and > radio shows such as yours. All you do is supply the programming for a > fee, then that's all. It's just like every syndicator that sells shows > with no built-in ads. The station has the right to put a value on your > services, and if yours is not worth their money, they simply won't hire > you. Give them a reason to hire you.
> As for telling the radio stations affilliates to cut off their streams > while your show is on, are you nucking futs? Your show is an > advertisement of your services in itself, and you killed off your own > free publicity machine in favor of, what's this you said, scathing > online denunciations in r.m.d. and other places? This is simply PR gone > bad. You're blowing it big time, Doc!
> As for your online paid streaming services, f--- this! F--- this! > I ain't paying for bulls--t products from any bad business including > yours. I'm not paying $2 for a crappy lo-fidelty stream of reruns of > older shows I've heard an average of 27 times in the past 29 years I've > been listening to the show. Chances are, when I download some Dr. D > shows from a USENET binary newsgroup (thanks to all who do), I skip over > the songs I already have or have no interest in and listen to the newer > songs, then I seek them out on myspace for songs that might be on there > for me to download in high quality 128kbps.
> I'm not joining your DOC club either. I have better plans to spend my > money since I'm no longer ponying up $40 a month for some goddamn > live365 service run by incompetent people who don't know how to make > money and keep customers. I could pay for and listen to older shows. I > ask why if I've heard them so many times already, why repay again and > again?
> So, why do I need to listen to an entire show again if all I'm > interested in are listening to individual songs instead of waiting for > some song I'm not interested in to play out until something new and cool > or new to me comes in. Selling your own shows online as a stream is > rather tedious at best. The world has changed into an on-demand basis. > Everybody wants to hear a particular song now instead of waiting until > after a block of other stuff played.
> The fump.com, for example, is a good business model, and it even > features songs that should have gotten some fame by you by playing them, > but haven't. You can stream a song, you can purchase a high quality > individual song, you can buy an album, and you can even post your own > links to your own songs (wish they would host the sideshow songs). This > is a model you should be looking into, Doc.
> I for one have six of my stuff on the fump sideshow. Check them out. > They're relevant, different, insightful, and unique, or check them out > at my website davidtanny.com and hear what dementoids have been missing > out on for almost ten years now. Some get it. Some don't. For those who > don't get it, that shows that I'm cutting edge dementia because a lot of > ideas for parodies and originals are coming from a point of view that is > being ignored by the media: the ordinary money-challenged (I can't > afford a studio or a staff as I'm all alone in this town) > academically-challenged (just a community college grad) person.
> Does a song have to be good in order to be popular? No. Does a music > programmer have to like the song that they play on the radio? No. What > does matter? The public likes what is played whether the deejay or music > programmer likes it or not. Do people know if a song is going to be good > or bad just by looking at the title? Not until they hear it. Do people > like to request what some radio people call bad songs? Yes. What is bad? > It depends on one's humble opinion on whatever is good or bad to them.
> Is it too late to save the Dr. Demento Show? The way things are going, > it probably is. No station is streaming the show. Krellan is out of the > Dr. Demento business because of that (thanks Krellan for your hard > work).
> I would have paid $2 for a decent download of a 24kbps Dr. Demento show > back in 1997 just to sample the songs as that's been my interest for > most of my life as the streamers back then were unreliable (remember > those hiccups of the signal back in the day?) or out of reach in the > days of dial-up.
> Now that cable broadband is the way, 128kbps is the way to go for $1 a > show stream but it has to be made in a way that is employed on > myspace.com where you can forward or reverse within the show so you can > sample the song again or skip over some overplayed stuff.
> Dr. Demento, you need to stop the excuses on your website as your letter > slams us for posting what you call "scathing online denunciations." I > say they're called "consumer complaints." When I criticize AT&T for > their bad service, it's a consumer complaint, not a scathing > denunciation. The same goes for Talonian Productions' way of doing > business; it's a consumer complaint.
> Also hampering the Dr. Demento Show is a rather small selection of new > funny music. How about doing several shows a year featuring six full > sets of all new demented music and comedy. When are you going to play > some modern day comedians on your show? Why haven't you been playing any > recent stuff from George Carlin (an editor can excise the $325,000 words > out of the material)? I like the "Modern Man" comedy bit a lot, and you > stiill won't play it?
> Hello, Dr. Demento. Time for a checkup. Play some golf and let me or > somebody else create a playlist for you full of new and notable > dementia, novelty, comedy, weird, and otherwise insane material and give > a person a reason to spend $2 to sample a show. Preferably at least > 96kbps, but keep the 24kbps for dial-up listeners, but charge the same > anyway. Make them upgrade to cable to get a better sound.
> Now listnen. Dr. Demento. Take down your silly "note from Dr. Demento" > propaganda. You apologize to the readers. You hire some qualified people > to change your business model into one that fully embraces the Internet > like I was forced to do back in February of 1997 as I had been doing > since then. You allow radio stations to stream your show again for no > additional fee. You hire a sales rep to get some businesses to advertise > on your show. You remodel your website so that it's consumer friendly. > You rethink how you sell indivudual shows. You start reselling song > downloads like fump and itunes are doing.
> Dr. Demento, get yourself demented once again. Admit your mistakes > instead of posting excuses. Do something now or else your show will > simply fade away.
> signed
> david tanny
Dear David Tanny, You have no right what so ever to tell Dr. Demento how to run his business! Shame on you!!! Here is part of an email I sent Dr. Demento today.
Dear Dr. Demento, Please accept my apology for sending you that discusting post from David Tanny!! David Tanny made it very clear that he is a total idiot!!! I first would like to say that David Tanny doesn't have the right to tell you have to run your business! You run it the way you see fit. I think the streaming idea was excellent! Now I don't have an actual time to listen to the radio to hear your show. I can hear it anytime! You have been doing you show for much longer than David has been doing his! His songs suck, by the way!!! I think your show is much better than his! I understand how your show works and of coarse I will hear repeats of songs especially on the funny 5. I don't mind that, it's part of the show. I like to see where songs end up on the funny 5. I highly respect you and enjoy your shows very much! It certainly is an honor to be a part of the Demento Online Club and I always look forward to a new show every week and the chats! I don't think it was right of David Tanny to attack you in this manner! Very
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I feel the need to write a response to this. Chances are I'll be repeating a lot of the same things said by my other fellow funny musician friends who have already posted responses. But so be it.
First of all, while I can take the compliment that you're grouping me with Sudden Death, Richard Cheese, and Weird Al, I'm not thrilled that you used my name specifically in a post attacking on Dr. Demento. Sometime a couple years ago, somebody used my name in a series of online attacks that led to a sci-fi convention I regularly performed at going out of business. For that reason I feel it's necessary for me to state here that the feelings and opinions of David Tanny are not those of Luke Sienkowski (the great Luke Ski).
I'm not going to debate his business model, since the other funny music acts that already responded have already said what I'd want to say, much better than I could reiterate it. But I will say this...
If I knew the difference between "The Dr. Demento Show" ending forever or continuing, was me paying him $2 a week, I would gladly pay him $2 a week.
Dr. Demento has been nothing but supportive to me in the 12 years I've been sending him my songs. He is a wonderful, generous, sweet man, who has devoted his life to elevating the artform and educating the mundane masses about the vast world of comedy music & audio, showing them that it is far from being a 'novelty'. Neither you, I, or any of the folks who listen to "The Dr. Demento Show", the songs at "The FuMP", my stuff, or your stuff would be into comedy music at all if it weren't for him. He has been it's champion for 37 years. We all owe him a great debt for that.
Your post comes off making you look like a foolish crybaby who is pissed off and bitter that you never got any airplay on his show (except the Mariah Carey bit last year). It makes you look like you're trying to make a statement to the world of comedy music, declaring yourself the new king leader comedy music radio/internet show, attempting to usurp Dr. Demento of his throne and take over. You were being mean to him. It wasn't cute, clever, or funny, and it didn't help enthesize any of your points, even the potentially valid ones. You were just being a mean jerk. And it makes you look like a bad person.
David, I'm your friend, and I'm trying really hard here to be nice. But to be honest, you really just made yourself look like a jackass in front of everybody, including people who haven't heard of you yet, and may have been interested in listening to your songs or your show if their first exposure to your existance hadn't been this post...
...Oh look, a new song at the FuMP Sideshow by... oh... that 'David Tanny' guy who posts all those attacks on Dr. Demento... Hm... I'll check back and see what's there tomorrow...
There's constructive criticism and advice, and then there's nasty negativity which only begets more nasty negativity. You could have made those same points to Dr. D. without being nasty and mean, but you chose to be nasty and mean anyway. I do think you owe him an apology. But that's your choice.
I can relate to you better than you realize. Back in 97, when my most popular song at my first convention performances was "Y.O.D.A.", I wanted so much for him to play it and have it become a Funny 5 / 25 hit, the big Star Wars song of 1997. He never played it, and instead "Star Wars Cantina" became the big Star Wars hit of 97. Other songs like "Cornholio" were similarly ignored. Yeah, it sucks when something you put a lot of work into doesn't get the attention you feel it deserves. But lashing out at Dr. D isn't the answer. It isn't nice, it doesn't accomplish anything, and will only serve to deter people from you and your work.
Keep making dementia tracks, and keep doing your podcast. Do what you do because you love doing it. Hopefully someday one of your creations will get the big spotlight treatment. But until then, don't give into hate, don't go dark side on us.
I replied to your last anti-Dr. Demento diatribe and now I find myself replying to this one. I don't know why I feel the need to do so; maybe it's because I worry that since you play Robert Lund songs on your show and name-drop The FuMP in your posts, people may suspect that I agree with you. I don't.
Dr. Demento is solely responsible for taking comedy music and changing it from "novelty" into its own radio format. Every one of us who enjoys comedy music as a genre owes a huge debt to him and his efforts for the past 35 years. Speaking personally, my love for the Dr. Demento Show is pretty much the sole reason I started writing song parodies and the main reason I continue to do so now.
You must admit, DT, that your show's format borrows heavily from Dr. Demento's, and that it wouldn't exist at all if Dr. Demento hadn't paved the way for you and built an audience for this material. You should be kissing his feet, not publicly eviscerating him.
We know you don't like his business model. We know you don't want to pay for his show. We know you think you can provide comedy music better than he can. You've made that clear. We get it. Now please stop being such a prick about it.
What the Tanny bashing? He speaketh the truth. But I think the majority of yawls’ 'ad hoc' attacks are a result of being fans of the show and feeling helpless to do anything about. Let's face it folks, all of you with websites and so forth you're all reaching for the same slice of the pie. So instead of bashing Tanny for his arguments take a good look at yourselves. What have you contributed to the good ol doc? Flat out in my opinion, Dr. Demento kind of slit his own wrist as a result of bad business tactics, anybody who's been a Dx'er ( a dee exer back in the olden days of radio was tuning the dial in order to find something different on the radio), Basically sic., he’s taken the fun out dx’ing for some of his core audience now discovering the internet. Frankly when I mention the Doctor Demento show, to people, 100% of the people say “Oh is he still on.” Which requires a long explanation about the radio/distribution plight. That's life in the big city.
However since the regulations have gotten tighter, folks like Dr. Demento with an antiquated business models get backed into a corner, now just imagine that. Here the good Doc has done his show for years, I'd like to know what happened with Westwood and the other production companies? Hopefully he'll start thinking out of the box.
Tanny wrote, |As for the issue of whether a station should share their advertisement |revenue with a radio show host, it isn’t going to happen, pal! You're |simply not entitled to any advertising revenue a radio station |generates.
I did not know this. Is this the reason why the Doc is backed into a corner? Or not firing on all cylinders. I can see his perspective now, but there are always equitable solutions as longs you think out of the box. Everybody encountering the same indecisions should ask themselves "Why? Why am I doing it this way?" Which is a start to thinking out of the box.
Tanny wrote, |Hello, Dr. Demento. Time for a checkup. Play some golf and let me or |somebody else create a playlist for you full of new and notable |dementia, novelty, comedy, weird, and otherwise insane material and give |a person a reason to spend $2 to sample a show.
My opinion. I think Barrett Hansen understands what he needs to do better than a music director. Take that persona 'Dr Demento' out and it's not the Dr Demento show anymore. I think it all boils down to the old adage if you can't beat 'em join 'em. Barrett needs to get out of that corner and quit shivering like a wet whipped mongrel. You people chastising him need to pick him up and coddle him otherwise he'll start snarling and foaming at the mouth. Sorry couldn't resist the description.
I have to agree with the majority of the folks here, and I can't really add more than what they've said. What you did was uncalled for and just mean. I think you'll see that you're hurting yourself and your image more than your intended target.
Nomen Nescio seems to be David Tanny. They both like to refer to Doctor Demento as Barret Hansen, they both have said Doctor Demento is "not firing on all cylinders". They both post frequently to alt.gossip.celebrities.
There have been posts here from anonymous remailers written similarly to David Tanny. Their names: George Orwell, bs, Anonyma.
What does Nomen Nescio mean? From Wikipedia: Nomen nescio, abbreviated to N.N., is used to signify an anonymous or non-specific person. From Latin nomen, name, and nescire, not to know, be ignorant of.
On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:36:46 -0700, Eric Houg <moc.guoh@cire> wrote: >Nomen Nescio the sock puppet wrote: >> What the Tanny bashing? He speaketh the truth.
>Nomen Nescio seems to be David Tanny. They both like to refer to Doctor Demento as >Barret Hansen, they both have said Doctor Demento is "not firing on all cylinders". >They both post frequently to alt.gossip.celebrities.
>There have been posts here from anonymous remailers written similarly to David Tanny. > Their names: George Orwell, bs, Anonyma.
>What does Nomen Nescio mean? From Wikipedia: >Nomen nescio, abbreviated to N.N., is used to signify an anonymous or non-specific >person. From Latin nomen, name, and nescire, not to know, be ignorant of.
On Oct 16, 11:36 pm, Eric Houg <moc.guoh@cire> wrote:
> Nomen Nescio the sock puppet wrote:
> > What the Tanny bashing? He speaketh the truth.
> Nomen Nescio seems to be David Tanny. They both like to refer to Doctor Demento as > Barret Hansen, they both have said Doctor Demento is "not firing on all cylinders". > They both post frequently to alt.gossip.celebrities.
> There have been posts here from anonymous remailers written similarly to David Tanny. > Their names: George Orwell, bs, Anonyma.
> What does Nomen Nescio mean? From Wikipedia: > Nomen nescio, abbreviated to N.N., is used to signify an anonymous or non-specific > person. From Latin nomen, name, and nescire, not to know, be ignorant of.
I clicked the View Profile of Nomen Nescio and this is what I got! This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups Terms Of Use. Edwin
Hell, David Tanny. Are you still living in your Mom's house in San Diego. You are a loser. Your open letter of stupid, self-promoting, hostility is better left to your girlfriend ( you know, the neighbor's 12 yr. old daughter). Go crawl back in your dork hole, you are the king of all nerds and don't deserve anything good to happen to you in life. Oh, and hurry up and deliver that pizza. Has to be there in 30 minutes or less or it's free, dumbass!
You have been riding the Doc's coat tails for too many years to count now.
Go back to MySpace and get your hot girlfriends to calm you down. You know the ones that have their "other" website, so you can look more closely at them.
I'm sure at this point the Dr. is sooooo glad he ever gave you the time of day.
> That is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard read that was authorized by > you. No wonder your loosing fans and listeners. Instead of addressing > your probems and planning to do something about it, you just write up a > batch of excuses about this and that. I'm not buying this demented > Cool-aid for one minute.
> Scathing? Hello, Dr. Demento. You Need a Reality Checkup.
> So, we now know who the man behind the iron Talonian curtain is.
> Unfortunately, your explantion on your drdemento.com website continues > to shoot blanks when faced with a reality check.
> Why did your advertisers flee? Haven't you hired a sales manager to get > those advertisers to replace the ones that left? What about inviting > luke ski, Sudden Death, Weird Al, Richard Cheese, and all of those other > big names buy some advertisements that plug their albums and concert > tours?
> Why aren't you in Los Angeles? Get your friggin' ass over to CBS or > Clear Channel or Indie or whatever and iron out a way to get your show > back on the friggin' airwaves. So CBS Radio likes to run 20 minutes of > commercials an hour. So what? Produce a 120 minute show with nine breaks > for stopsets and let stations add up to 60 minutes of commercials per > hour. That's a good three-hour show. The way your show is produced with > fewer minutes alloted for commercials per hour is very much in the way > of getting a station to carry a show. Remember back in 1998 when KLSX > dropped a segment so that it could run more commercials and annoying > announcements for some sex talk show? You should have saw some signs > that you need to listen to their needs.
> As for the issue of whether a station should share their advertisement > revenue with a radio show host, it ain't gonna happen, pal! You're > simply not entitled to any advertising revenue a radio station > generates. The station is entitled to generating advertising revenue to > pay for the operations of their station as well as to pay for talent and > radio shows such as yours. All you do is supply the programming for a > fee, then that's all. It's just like every syndicator that sells shows > with no built-in ads. The station has the right to put a value on your > services, and if yours is not worth their money, they simply won't hire > you. Give them a reason to hire you.
> As for telling the radio stations affilliates to cut off their streams > while your show is on, are you nucking futs? Your show is an > advertisement of your services in itself, and you killed off your own > free publicity machine in favor of, what's this you said, scathing > online denunciations in r.m.d. and other places? This is simply PR gone > bad. You're blowing it big time, Doc!
> As for your online paid streaming services, f--- this! F--- this! > I ain't paying for bulls--t products from any bad business including > yours. I'm not paying $2 for a crappy lo-fidelty stream of reruns of > older shows I've heard an average of 27 times in the past 29 years I've > been listening to the show. Chances are, when I download some Dr. D > shows from a USENET binary newsgroup (thanks to all who do), I skip over > the songs I already have or have no interest in and listen to the newer > songs, then I seek them out on myspace for songs that might be on there > for me to download in high quality 128kbps.
> I'm not joining your DOC club either. I have better plans to spend my > money since I'm no longer ponying up $40 a month for some goddamn > live365 service run by incompetent people who don't know how to make > money and keep customers. I could pay for and listen to older shows. I > ask why if I've heard them so many times already, why repay again and > again?
> So, why do I need to listen to an entire show again if all I'm > interested in are listening to individual songs instead of waiting for > some song I'm not interested in to play out until something new and cool > or new to me comes in. Selling your own shows online as a stream is > rather tedious at best. The world has changed into an on-demand basis. > Everybody wants to hear a particular song now instead of waiting until > after a block of other stuff played.
> The fump.com, for example, is a good business model, and it even > features songs that should have gotten some fame by you by playing them, > but haven't. You can stream a song, you can purchase a high quality > individual song, you can buy an album, and you can even post your own > links to your own songs (wish they would host the sideshow songs). This > is a model you should be looking into, Doc.
> I for one have six of my stuff on the fump sideshow. Check them out. > They're relevant, different, insightful, and unique, or check them out > at my website davidtanny.com and hear what dementoids have been missing > out on for almost ten years now. Some get it. Some don't. For those who > don't get it, that shows that I'm cutting edge dementia because a lot of > ideas for parodies and originals are coming from a point of view that is > being ignored by the media: the ordinary money-challenged (I can't > afford a studio or a staff as I'm all alone in this town) > academically-challenged (just a community college grad) person.
> Does a song have to be good in order to be popular? No. Does a music > programmer have to like the song that they play on the radio? No. What > does matter? The public likes what is played whether the deejay or music > programmer likes it or not. Do people know if a song is going to be good > or bad just by looking at the title? Not until they hear it. Do people > like to request what some radio people call bad songs? Yes. What is bad? > It depends on one's humble opinion on whatever is good or bad to them.
> Is it too late to save the Dr. Demento Show? The way things are going, > it probably is. No station is streaming the show. Krellan is out of the > Dr. Demento business because of that (thanks Krellan for your hard > work).
> I would have paid $2 for a decent download of a 24kbps Dr. Demento show > back in 1997 just to sample the songs as that's been my interest for > most of my life as the streamers back then were unreliable (remember > those hiccups of the signal back in the day?) or out of reach in the > days of dial-up.
> Now that cable broadband is the way, 128kbps is the way to go for $1 a > show stream but it has to be made in a way that is employed on > myspace.com where you can forward or reverse within the show so you can > sample the song again or skip over some overplayed stuff.
> Dr. Demento, you need to stop the excuses on your website as your letter > slams us for posting what you call "scathing online denunciations." I > say they're called "consumer complaints." When I criticize AT&T for > their bad service, it's a consumer complaint, not a scathing > denunciation. The same goes for Talonian Productions' way of doing > business; it's a consumer complaint.
> Also hampering the Dr. Demento Show is a rather small selection of new > funny music. How about doing several shows a year featuring six full > sets of all new demented music and comedy. When are you going to play > some modern day comedians on your show? Why haven't you been playing any > recent stuff from George Carlin (an editor can excise the $325,000 words > out of the material)? I like the "Modern Man" comedy bit a lot, and you > stiill won't play it?
> Hello, Dr. Demento. Time for a checkup. Play some golf and let me or > somebody else create a playlist for you full of new and notable > dementia, novelty, comedy, weird, and otherwise insane material and give > a person a reason to spend $2 to sample a show. Preferably at least > 96kbps, but keep the 24kbps for dial-up listeners, but charge the same > anyway. Make them upgrade to cable to get a better sound.
> Now listnen. Dr. Demento. Take down your silly "note from Dr. Demento" > propaganda. You apologize to the readers. You hire some qualified people > to change your business model into one that fully embraces the Internet > like I was forced to do back in February of 1997 as I had been doing > since then. You allow radio stations to stream your show again for no > additional fee. You hire a sales rep to get some businesses to advertise > on your show. You remodel your website so that it's consumer friendly. > You rethink how you sell indivudual shows. You start reselling song > downloads like fump and itunes are doing.
> Dr. Demento, get yourself demented once again. Admit your mistakes > instead of posting excuses. Do something now or else your show will > simply fade away.
On Oct 15, 11:01 pm, D a v i d T a n n y <davene...@cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Dr. Demento.
>(cut for length...we all know what it says)
Holy.... and I thought my rant a few weeks ago was rough O.o and that was *before* all the info came out, and I've changed my views on a few things since then (and Doc, if you're reading this, I humbly apologize if my rant from back then came off as 'scathing') For example, back then I had no idea just how desperate Doc had gotten to keep the show alive :( This week...there's just no excuse for a rant like that.
To be frank, I'm still curious as to why Dr. D and Westwood One parted ways in 1992 in the first place. I was also not aware there there were no network spots on the show. These days, having network spots is vital for survival.
That said though, despite that I agree with some of your points, you really came off the wrong way, and the mention of your own music and podcasts seemed like a backdoor ad. -.- And also, Doc has started putting in easter eggs for the online streams (extra songs, uncensored songs) that makes the pay-stream option more attractive. If I had the $2 to spare weekly, I'd buy in, and if enough people are able to buy in weekly, then Doc likely could get enough server space to post a 128k archive for casual customers and 192k archive for DOC members.
But top priority for the show IMHO seems to be attracting advertisers. Spice earlier mentioned that it's currently tough to do so, but from what I've been hearing, that's changing, and Doc is currently working with others in the dementia community to make the show a hot property again. So the wheels are in motion, changes are afoot, we just need to wait for the dust to settle, and afterward it should benefit Doc and listeners both.
It's easy to be angry at the current situation, especially in this "on- demand" world we currently live in, but don't give in to blind rage, ok? *hugs* Take a few steps back like I did, calm down, get the whole picture, and see what you can do to help :)
--Emi / DJP
PS - don't listen to what Ezeriah said. I happen to like your stuff :) Especially "All Out of Pups"
> If I had the > $2 to spare weekly, I'd buy in, and if enough people are able to buy > in weekly, then Doc likely could get enough server space to post a > 128k archive for casual customers and 192k archive for DOC members.
Chicken and egg. The 128-44-S mp3 format has been used for close to 10 years by show listeners who were/are trading shows with each other. The lower fidelity is turning long-time fans away. Then we can look at attracting those casual listeners to the show streams. But, I feel that a $2 128-44-S mp3 (file or stream) must be offered. This can be done with the next show put up on www.drdemento.com. From what I read, here and in other forums, this is what will turn those who would like to hear the show, but will not because of the offering of a less than short wave radio fidelity stream, back to buying a stream. This forum and others were very vocal about this 2 years ago when the on-line delivery of shows started.
> but from what I've been hearing, that's changing, and Doc is > currently working with others in the dementia community to make the > show a hot property again. So the wheels are in motion, changes are > afoot, we just need to wait for the dust to settle, and afterward it > should benefit Doc and listeners both.
I then ask Dr. Demento to post to his site, his discussion board, or here, that he has heard his fans and is working to make changes to present the on-line product that fans are asking for. I am not asking this of the Taloian manager (Arthyr), but of doc to show us he is master of his own (web) domain. ;) I fear that Barry would have to end the show by the end of the year to keep from losing more money.
-Tim
(to Dave) > but don't give in to blind rage, > Take a few steps back like I did, calm down, get the > whole picture, and see what you can do to help :)
Yes, David, you went far beyond a letter of complaint or a letter commenting on what it would take you to be an on-line customer.
I can understand your frustration on Dr. Demento's current business practices, but even I think you've gone a bit overboard with this situation. Unless someone corrects me, you've just had your own Sister Souljah moment (in this case, hating someone without the correct context).
I've been a fan of the Dr. since first hearing his appearance on the Simpsons. The first album I bought was the 20th Anniversary collection around 1998 and became hooked. Wasn't able to listen to the show full- time until early 2004. I'm still bummed that I won't listen to him online any more, but I hope that Dr. D could change his mind and give at least a resonable price for radio to stream the show. (On that note, please bring the show back to WPYX in upstate NY!)
I myself have been in the situation of sending a song only to be ignored. However, when I first met Dr. D at BB King's Bar & Grill in NYC, he's a very nice guy. When I asked about my parody, "Groucho Marx's Mustache", he told me that he listens to it from time to time. He also told me that he thought of me when he passed through Staten Island on the way there. Very nice guy.
So unlike you, I can't get mad at the guy. Annoyed, yes; but angry, no. I'm still trying to perfect my parody and music skills so I can have a shot on being played on the show before (God forbid) he retires.
> I can understand your frustration on Dr. Demento's current business > practices, but even I think you've gone a bit overboard with this > situation. Unless someone corrects me, you've just had your own Sister > Souljah moment (in this case, hating someone without the correct > context).
> I've been a fan of the Dr. since first hearing his appearance on the > Simpsons. The first album I bought was the 20th Anniversary collection > around 1998 and became hooked. Wasn't able to listen to the show full- > time until early 2004. I'm still bummed that I won't listen to him > online any more, but I hope that Dr. D could change his mind and give > at least a resonable price for radio to stream the show. (On that > note, please bring the show back to WPYX in upstate NY!)
> I myself have been in the situation of sending a song only to be > ignored. However, when I first met Dr. D at BB King's Bar & Grill in > NYC, he's a very nice guy. When I asked about my parody, "Groucho > Marx's Mustache", he told me that he listens to it from time to time. > He also told me that he thought of me when he passed through Staten > Island on the way there. Very nice guy.
> So unlike you, I can't get mad at the guy. Annoyed, yes; but angry, > no. I'm still trying to perfect my parody and music skills so I can > have a shot on being played on the show before (God forbid) he > retires.
> Believe it, > Anthony "A-Log" LoGatto
A-Log....Can we please hear that some way? Either send it to the FuMP sideshow or to Captain Wayne. I am a huge Marx Bros fan..........Thanks....... Pete from across the Goethals Bridge
> That is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard read that was authorized by > you. No wonder your loosing fans and listeners. Instead of addressing > your probems and planning to do something about it, you just write up a > batch of excuses about this and that. I'm not buying this demented > Cool-aid for one minute.
> Scathing? Hello, Dr. Demento. You Need a Reality Checkup.
> So, we now know who the man behind the iron Talonian curtain is.
> Unfortunately, your explantion on your drdemento.com website continues > to shoot blanks when faced with a reality check.
> Why did your advertisers flee? Haven't you hired a sales manager to get > those advertisers to replace the ones that left? What about inviting > luke ski, Sudden Death, Weird Al, Richard Cheese, and all of those other > big names buy some advertisements that plug their albums and concert > tours?
> Why aren't you in Los Angeles? Get your friggin' ass over to CBS or > Clear Channel or Indie or whatever and iron out a way to get your show > back on the friggin' airwaves. So CBS Radio likes to run 20 minutes of > commercials an hour. So what? Produce a 120 minute show with nine breaks > for stopsets and let stations add up to 60 minutes of commercials per > hour. That's a good three-hour show. The way your show is produced with > fewer minutes alloted for commercials per hour is very much in the way > of getting a station to carry a show. Remember back in 1998 when KLSX > dropped a segment so that it could run more commercials and annoying > announcements for some sex talk show? You should have saw some signs > that you need to listen to their needs.
> As for the issue of whether a station should share their advertisement > revenue with a radio show host, it ain't gonna happen, pal! You're > simply not entitled to any advertising revenue a radio station > generates. The station is entitled to generating advertising revenue to > pay for the operations of their station as well as to pay for talent and > radio shows such as yours. All you do is supply the programming for a > fee, then that's all. It's just like every syndicator that sells shows > with no built-in ads. The station has the right to put a value on your > services, and if yours is not worth their money, they simply won't hire > you. Give them a reason to hire you.
> As for telling the radio stations affilliates to cut off their streams > while your show is on, are you nucking futs? Your show is an > advertisement of your services in itself, and you killed off your own > free publicity machine in favor of, what's this you said, scathing > online denunciations in r.m.d. and other places? This is simply PR gone > bad. You're blowing it big time, Doc!
> As for your online paid streaming services, f--- this! F--- this! > I ain't paying for bulls--t products from any bad business including > yours. I'm not paying $2 for a crappy lo-fidelty stream of reruns of > older shows I've heard an average of 27 times in the past 29 years I've > been listening to the show. Chances are, when I download some Dr. D > shows from a USENET binary newsgroup (thanks to all who do), I skip over > the songs I already have or have no interest in and listen to the newer > songs, then I seek them out on myspace for songs that might be on there > for me to download in high quality 128kbps.
> I'm not joining your DOC club either. I have better plans to spend my > money since I'm no longer ponying up $40 a month for some goddamn > live365 service run by incompetent people who don't know how to make > money and keep customers. I could pay for and listen to older shows. I > ask why if I've heard them so many times already, why repay again and > again?
> So, why do I need to listen to an entire show again if all I'm > interested in are listening to individual songs instead of waiting for > some song I'm not interested in to play out until something new and cool > or new to me comes in. Selling your own shows online as a stream is > rather tedious at best. The world has changed into an on-demand basis. > Everybody wants to hear a particular song now instead of waiting until > after a block of other stuff played.
> The fump.com, for example, is a good business model, and it even > features songs that should have gotten some fame by you by playing them, > but haven't. You can stream a song, you can purchase a high quality > individual song, you can buy an album, and you can even post your own > links to your own songs (wish they would host the sideshow songs). This > is a model you should be looking into, Doc.
> I for one have six of my stuff on the fump sideshow. Check them out. > They're relevant, different, insightful, and unique, or check them out > at my website davidtanny.com and hear what dementoids have been missing > out on for almost ten years now. Some get it. Some don't. For those who > don't get it, that shows that I'm cutting edge dementia because a lot of > ideas for parodies and originals are coming from a point of view that is > being ignored by the media: the ordinary money-challenged (I can't > afford a studio or a staff as I'm all alone in this town) > academically-challenged (just a community college grad) person.
> Does a song have to be good in order to be popular? No. Does a music > programmer have to like the song that they play on the radio? No. What > does matter? The public likes what is played whether the deejay or music > programmer likes it or not. Do people know if a song is going to be good > or bad just by looking at the title? Not until they hear it. Do people > like to request what some radio people call bad songs? Yes. What is bad? > It depends on one's humble opinion on whatever is good or bad to them.
> Is it too late to save the Dr. Demento Show? The way things are going, > it probably is. No station is streaming the show. Krellan is out of the > Dr. Demento business because of that (thanks Krellan for your hard > work).
> I would have paid $2 for a decent download of a 24kbps Dr. Demento show > back in 1997 just to sample the songs as that's been my interest for > most of my life as the streamers back then were unreliable (remember > those hiccups of the signal back in the day?) or out of reach in the > days of dial-up.
> Now that cable broadband is the way, 128kbps is the way to go for $1 a > show stream but it has to be made in a way that is employed on > myspace.com where you can forward or reverse within the show so you can > sample the song again or skip over some overplayed stuff.
> Dr. Demento, you need to stop the excuses on your website as your letter > slams us for posting what you call "scathing online denunciations." I > say they're called "consumer complaints." When I criticize AT&T for > their bad service, it's a consumer complaint, not a scathing > denunciation. The same goes for Talonian Productions' way of doing > business; it's a consumer complaint.
> Also hampering the Dr. Demento Show is a rather small selection of new > funny music. How about doing several shows a year featuring six full > sets of all new demented music and comedy. When are you going to play > some modern day comedians on your show? Why haven't you been playing any > recent stuff from George Carlin (an editor can excise the $325,000 words > out of the material)? I like the "Modern Man" comedy bit a lot, and you > stiill won't play it?
> Hello, Dr. Demento. Time for a checkup. Play some golf and let me or > somebody else create a playlist for you full of new and notable > dementia, novelty, comedy, weird, and otherwise insane material and give > a person a reason to spend $2 to sample a show. Preferably at least > 96kbps, but keep the 24kbps for dial-up listeners, but charge the same > anyway. Make them upgrade to cable to get a better sound.
> Now listnen. Dr. Demento. Take down your silly "note from Dr. Demento" > propaganda. You apologize to the readers. You hire some qualified people > to change your business model into one that fully embraces the Internet > like I was forced to do back in February of 1997 as I had been doing > since then. You allow radio stations to stream your show again for no > additional fee. You hire a sales rep to get some businesses to advertise > on your show. You remodel your website so that it's consumer friendly. > You rethink how you sell indivudual shows. You start reselling song > downloads like fump and itunes are doing.
> Dr. Demento, get yourself demented once again. Admit your mistakes > instead of posting excuses. Do something now or else your show will > simply fade away.
Get rid of the streams and go download and I'll pay the $2 a week for the show...
Otherwise, if Dr. D gets it forced of the I-net and doesn't get a local affiliate, then that even fewer people listening for him to "try" to sell ads...
"DJ Particle" <emiofb...@djparticle.com> wrote in message
> On Oct 15, 11:01 pm, D a v i d T a n n y <davene...@cox.net> wrote: >> Dear Dr. Demento.
>>(cut for length...we all know what it says)
> Holy.... and I thought my rant a few weeks ago was rough O.o and > that was *before* all the info came out, and I've changed my views on > a few things since then (and Doc, if you're reading this, I humbly > apologize if my rant from back then came off as 'scathing') > For example, back then I had no idea just how desperate Doc had gotten > to keep the show alive :( > This week...there's just no excuse for a rant like that.
> To be frank, I'm still curious as to why Dr. D and Westwood One parted > ways in 1992 in the first place. > I was also not aware there there were no network spots on the show. > These days, having network spots is vital for survival.
> That said though, despite that I agree with some of your points, you > really came off the wrong way, and the mention of your own music and > podcasts seemed like a backdoor ad. -.- And also, Doc has started > putting in easter eggs for the online streams (extra songs, uncensored > songs) that makes the pay-stream option more attractive. If I had the > $2 to spare weekly, I'd buy in, and if enough people are able to buy > in weekly, then Doc likely could get enough server space to post a > 128k archive for casual customers and 192k archive for DOC members.
> But top priority for the show IMHO seems to be attracting > advertisers. Spice earlier mentioned that it's currently tough to do > so, but from what I've been hearing, that's changing, and Doc is > currently working with others in the dementia community to make the > show a hot property again. So the wheels are in motion, changes are > afoot, we just need to wait for the dust to settle, and afterward it > should benefit Doc and listeners both.
> It's easy to be angry at the current situation, especially in this "on- > demand" world we currently live in, but don't give in to blind rage, > ok? *hugs* Take a few steps back like I did, calm down, get the > whole picture, and see what you can do to help :)
> --Emi / DJP
> PS - don't listen to what Ezeriah said. I happen to like your > stuff :) Especially "All Out of Pups"
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